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Post by Ken K on Aug 7, 2011 16:41:29 GMT -5
Which one of you guys had to replace yours? I think I remember someone talking about it. I decided to start prepping my Outlander for Utah and found a torn boot (among other things!). Its the inside boot, closest to the rear diff. Shop manual says you need to pull the hub, then the whole trailing arm to pull the shaft. Question is do you really have to pull the trailing arm or am I missing some shortcut to get around that part?
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Post by Randy_R on Aug 7, 2011 17:46:13 GMT -5
Ken look at Can-am forums. You can unbolt the rear shocks (both) and the trailing arm will drop enough to let you pull the axle. Many people (mostly mudders since they love axles) say they can do it under an hour while drinking a beer. That means 2 hrs for me since I don't drink often. www.can-amforum.com/forums/can-am-brp/7901-rear-cv-boot.html
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Post by Ken K on Aug 7, 2011 18:56:56 GMT -5
thanks Randy. I dropped both shocks and yanked for a while and can't seem to get enough clearance to get it out. I've only drank 2 beers so far so I'm gonna slam a few more and try again after dinner! ;D
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Post by Randy_R on Aug 7, 2011 19:45:28 GMT -5
Here's a good write up if dropping the shocks does not give enough room. Most say there is room but I guess it varies for some reason... 1. remove tire 2. Remove bottom shock bolt. 3. remove sway bar cover boot 4. remove swaybar nut and wedge 5. drop axle down all the way, give it a couple yanks down and it will pull the shaft out of the diff. 6. remove the shaft from the diff completely by hand. 7. remove outer axle cotter pin and nut 8. pull axle out and put shaft in a vise. 9. slide boot back away from joint. 10 drive joint off shaft with a brass punch or a block of wood. 11. replace boot and reassemble all in reverse order. www.can-amforum.com/forums/can-am-outlander/17458-changing-out-axles-2.htmlPost # 12
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Post by Matt H (aka Tiger Rag) on Aug 7, 2011 20:18:53 GMT -5
thanks Randy. I dropped both shocks and yanked for a while and can't seem to get enough clearance to get it out. I've only drank 2 beers so far so I'm gonna slam a few more and try again after dinner! ;D Buy a case....or better yet, get some moonshine! Soldier on!
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Post by Ken K on Aug 7, 2011 20:28:45 GMT -5
ah...maybe pulling the torsion bar is the key. I haven't done that. After that the only thing holding on the trailing arm is the spanner nut...which I don't have the spanner socket for.
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Post by Ken K on Aug 15, 2011 9:40:55 GMT -5
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Post by Bob T on Aug 15, 2011 10:20:19 GMT -5
Good thing you took a lot of pictures. It looks like you have all the parts laid out neatly and organized for the re-assembly, NOT!
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Post by Matt H (aka Tiger Rag) on Aug 15, 2011 11:01:58 GMT -5
Ken, you move again? When did you move to Waxhaw?
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Post by Ken K on Aug 15, 2011 11:08:22 GMT -5
Good thing you took a lot of pictures. It looks like you have all the parts laid out neatly and organized for the re-assembly, NOT! I wrench like I ride Bob....very conservatively but sometime I just get a little excited and then well, sometime things go afoul! ;D
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Post by Ken K on Aug 15, 2011 11:09:48 GMT -5
Ken, you move again? When did you move to Waxhaw? This September 27th will be the one year mark that we've been down here in Waxhaw.
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Post by Randy_R on Aug 15, 2011 12:15:59 GMT -5
Glad to see someone else can turn a small Can-am project into a large one. I never thought I would complete the rear ujoints on my old 800. Nothing like spending 40+ hrs fixing something.
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Post by Matt H (aka Tiger Rag) on Aug 15, 2011 13:10:40 GMT -5
Ken, you move again? When did you move to Waxhaw? This September 27th will be the one year mark that we've been down here in Waxhaw. 10-4, I knew y'all moved from downtown Cornelius at some point but I guess I didn't realize it was to Waxhaw. I thought you were still somewhere close to Cornelius.
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Post by Matt H (aka Tiger Rag) on Aug 15, 2011 13:11:47 GMT -5
Glad to see someone else can turn a small Can-am project into a large one. I never thought I would complete the rear ujoints on my old 800. Nothing like spending 40+ hrs fixing something. Ouch.....a Week? Must be a bear of a project.
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Post by Randy_R on Aug 15, 2011 13:51:02 GMT -5
Shaft would not come off gearbox on my 2006 800. I spent 20+ hours and then Bob came and helped and we spent maybe 5 hrs. Changing a ujoint while it's on the ATV is very difficult. The replacement ujoints being .010 too big just made it even more difficult. Bob saved the day on that one.
I figured the screw holding the shaft to the gearbox basically pressed the shaft on. Time rusted the parts together. I now grease ujoints every two rides. Not gonna go through that chaos again.
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Post by Ken K on Aug 15, 2011 14:30:03 GMT -5
This September 27th will be the one year mark that we've been down here in Waxhaw. 10-4, I knew y'all moved from downtown Cornelius at some point but I guess I didn't realize it was to Waxhaw. I thought you were still somewhere close to Cornelius. We were. We lived in Cornelius for about 2 years and then moved down here last September. We still own our house up there and are using it as a rental property now.
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Post by tomdesena on Aug 15, 2011 18:59:51 GMT -5
Ken --- do you know how much a Dealer would charge to do the job you are doing now?
is it worth all your time -- looks like a very difficult project -- a new bike is only $14k
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Post by Randy_R on Aug 15, 2011 20:56:52 GMT -5
Here's my guess -- CV boot repair is around $250 -- 2 hrs labor and boot. Pulling the rear diff, cleaning it , and checking seals would probably be another $300 if they did not convince you the diff was ruined. I'm guessing a Can-am dealer would stick a $500 to $700 bill on the job. That assumes no major parts. The rear diff complete is $520, with the main gear being $240 alone, and a Axle is $385. That is crazy -- Can-am definitely views their ATV's like BMW does their cars. Need to be rich or handy with tools. Thankfully Can-am's are pretty reliable...
Then again I could be way off on price. I about choked in 2007 when Lake Norman quoted me $300 to change fluids on my 2006 Outlander 800. WTF -- 1.5 hrs of work and $40 max in fluid is not $300 worth!!
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Post by tomdesena on Aug 16, 2011 5:26:37 GMT -5
I know what you are saying randy -- but looking at Kens pictures leaves me to believe that I would spend at least 40 hrs plus --- most likely spend $100 in tools I would not have -- and then who knows if after I put the Zillion parts back together --- would it work right --
When I was young I tried to change a timing belt on a car I had --- spent 2 weeks f**king around with it --- bought several specialty tools --- then it did not run right when I finished -- had to bring it to mechanic anyway and spend about the same as if it went there first--
But that was ME ---
My hats off to you, Ken and any of you who take on repairs like this one ---
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Post by Randy_R on Aug 16, 2011 6:11:10 GMT -5
I grew up in a household where you try to fix stuff before you even consider taking it to anyone. Ken looks like he has this one pretty well under control. The positive is that he will give his repairs a good test in a month!!
As for timing belts -- I don't screw with those. Several teeth off can ruin an engine (not all but some like VW). I always try to consider the risk/reward before messing with some things.
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