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Post by Larry M on Jul 11, 2022 8:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by Nelson B on Jul 11, 2022 9:59:06 GMT -5
Neat concept (eventually), but I wish the electric vehicle industry would stop lying about them not polluting (also claimed in this article). Since 61% of electric power plants are still fossil fuels (and those plants average only 40% efficiency) and the electric grid in the US only gets 28% to 33% of that electricity to outlets, by the time EVs are plugged in to charge on this electricity (also not even close to 100% efficient), the EV's negative impact on climate change is far greater than the average gasoline-powered car. This doesn't even take into account the huge impact of the mining for minerals that lithium batteries require. Another fact left out is the enormous amount of electricity required to manufacture solar panels and windmills that takes years to recoup.
You're not going to get this information from the car companies, solar companies, windmill producers, battery companies or politicians (many of whom own renewable energy stocks). Unfortunately, most Americans are not taught to think critically and do the math for themselves. Sorry for the rant...but this is one of my pet-peeves!
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Post by Larry M on Jul 11, 2022 10:17:06 GMT -5
Neat concept (eventually), but I wish the electric vehicle industry would stop lying about them not polluting (also claimed in this article). Since 61% of electric power plants are still fossil fuels (and those plants average only 40% efficiency) and the electric grid in the US only gets 28% to 33% of that electricity to outlets, by the time EVs are plugged in to charge on this electricity (also not even close to 100% efficient), the EV's negative impact on climate change is far greater than the average gasoline-powered car. This doesn't even take into account the huge impact of the mining for minerals that lithium batteries require. Another fact left out is the enormous amount of electricity required to manufacture solar panels and windmills that takes years to recoup. You're not going to get this information from the car companies, solar companies, windmill producers, battery companies or politicians (many of whom own renewable energy stocks). Unfortunately, most Americans are not taught to think critically and do the math for themselves. Sorry for the rant...but this is one of my pet-peeves! Well said Nelson.
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Steve H
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Post by Steve H on Jul 11, 2022 10:21:15 GMT -5
Some explanation of range calculations too. A hundred miles on hard flat ground might be only 25 miles of muddy hilly trails.
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Post by Nelson B on Jul 11, 2022 10:22:34 GMT -5
Thanks, Larry! All that said, with the price of gas, I'd love to own an EV!
But honestly, EVs are not the way to go until the electric grid in this country is improved drastically and Li battery technology improves.
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Post by Lonnie W on Jul 11, 2022 10:25:04 GMT -5
Neat concept (eventually), but I wish the electric vehicle industry would stop lying about them not polluting (also claimed in this article). Since 61% of electric power plants are still fossil fuels (and those plants average only 40% efficiency) and the electric grid in the US only gets 28% to 33% of that electricity to outlets, by the time EVs are plugged in to charge on this electricity (also not even close to 100% efficient), the EV's negative impact on climate change is far greater than the average gasoline-powered car. This doesn't even take into account the huge impact of the mining for minerals that lithium batteries require. Another fact left out is the enormous amount of electricity required to manufacture solar panels and windmills that takes years to recoup. You're not going to get this information from the car companies, solar companies, windmill producers, battery companies or politicians (many of whom own renewable energy stocks). Unfortunately, most Americans are not taught to think critically and do the math for themselves. Sorry for the rant...but this is one of my pet-peeves! Completely agree Nelson, if people would just stop and think a little bit they could figure it out. The new generation love's Technology and if it is new and sounds good they just have to have it. On another note it sure is pretty.
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Post by tomdesena on Jul 11, 2022 13:03:16 GMT -5
One other thing -- I don't remember seeing much of the electric grid on our rides -- let alone a outlet to plug one up ---- wonder when Hatfield McCoy will begin installing charging stations at trail intersections --- lol
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Post by Randy_R on Jul 13, 2022 20:01:27 GMT -5
Nelson - have you driven a Tesla? Go drive a Model S, X, Y performance, or 3 performance. Wow. They redefine fast. Full torque at zero rpm.
The right engineered electric SXS will be an incredible rock crawler. Full power anytime. It’s not there yet.
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Post by dwaynerowland on Jul 14, 2022 7:55:01 GMT -5
Imagine an electric SxS with a motor on each wheel. It could have tank turning mode like the Rivian. No more multi-point turns on switch backs! Would be expensive though, and extremely heavy.
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Post by Nelson B on Jul 15, 2022 8:48:16 GMT -5
I don't doubt that electric cars/vehicles are almost there technology-wise; their performance is incredible - especially acceleration. However, they are no way environmentally "green" - no way! Not until we improve our power grid efficiency and batteries become even lighter and more easily or rapidly charged. Our power grid can in no way support 60-70% electric cars by 2030 like congress is pushing. Brown-outs are already happening in California and other western states and the biggest recent change is the increase of electric cars charging on the grid. I'd love to own an electric car - especially with our recent gas prices; however, I would not be doing it to "save" the planet. I say all this as a politically conservative person that really does care about the environment; but my research and reasoning make me mad at all the B.S. circulating about this subject.
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Post by Randy_R on Jul 15, 2022 12:31:34 GMT -5
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Post by Ken K on Jul 15, 2022 13:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by Randy_R on Jul 16, 2022 5:52:34 GMT -5
Texas is an electricity island like Hawaii but 10000x more roads. In the US there are three grids - Eastern US, Western US, and Texas on their own.
Texas formed ERCOT and it’s just a disaster.
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Post by David B on Jul 17, 2022 17:56:59 GMT -5
People who drive electric cars don’t realize that their exhaust pipe is in the power plant. That way they can FEEL green.
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timbyrd
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Post by timbyrd on Aug 4, 2022 16:21:25 GMT -5
Hydrogen.
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